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Post by TheVelvetBride on Feb 1, 2017 20:45:43 GMT
I know this could be controversial, but were they good enough to, say, make it to the top ten musicians of all time?
I'm not bringing songwriting into this, just their prowess at playing.
I love some of David's guitar solos. But most of them sound very soul-less. There isn't any feeling to them. Maybe it's just me, but some solos are too dead sounding.
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At the Beatles Bible, Von Bontee mentioned Roger's bass playing, and so I went and listened to some just bass tracks from a few Pink Floyd Songs. Eh, mediocre at best.
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Nick's not a great drummer either. His solo he takes on whatever-that-song-is sounds just like the solo Carl Palmer takes on Tank. I have no idea which came first, but they're both not worth a note.
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Rick is an okay keyboardist but he would never be able to win in an out- and-out VS. between him and Elton John.
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Anyways, those are my thoughts. Maybe I just don't appreciate them enough.
Note: I'm not saying they're BAD. They did make a lot of important music in the late 60's/early 70's which is still considered by some (including me) the best rock of all time.
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Post by syd gilmour on Feb 2, 2017 0:25:30 GMT
What about Gilmour? He was an absolute virtuoso.
Rick was great. Comparig every piano player to Elton isn't a good way to think about music.
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Post by TheVelvetBride on Feb 2, 2017 0:51:19 GMT
What about Gilmour? He was an absolute virtuoso. Rick was great. Comparig every piano player to Elton isn't a good way to think about music. I mentioned David. So, for example, I shouldn't compare John Entwistle to Paul McCartney if I was stating an argument about their bass playing? Comparing musicians to each other is how lists are made about the best musicians. Do you not think that Elton John one of the best rock pianists (out of curiosity)? Is there some other pianist I should compare Rick to? |
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Post by The Machine on Feb 2, 2017 3:03:27 GMT
I love some of David's guitar solos. But most of them sound very soul-less. There isn't any feeling to them. Maybe it's just me, but some solos are too dead sounding . I feel like thats part of the point, at least in the later albums. In the wall they say things like "are there any queers in the theater tonight?" To obviously play on people's descrimination. Maybe guitar solo's, at least in albums like dark side of the moon, are soulless for a reason, as if to play on the way things can be so sweet, but mean nothing. |
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Post by TheVelvetBride on Feb 2, 2017 3:08:40 GMT
I love some of David's guitar solos. But most of them sound very soul-less. There isn't any feeling to them. Maybe it's just me, but some solos are too dead sounding . I feel like thats part of the point, at least in the later albums. In the wall they say things like "are there any queers in the theater tonight?" To obviously play on people's descrimination. Maybe guitar solo's, at least in albums like dark side of the moon, are soulless for a reason, as if to play on the way things can be so sweet, but mean nothing. That's possible. A rather different way of looking at things. What I meant by the soul-less part of my post was that his solos feel really "planned out to the last degree, so that there can't possibly be anything wrong with them" sort of soul-less. |
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Post by necko on Feb 2, 2017 7:57:36 GMT
They were okay, I guess...
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Post by syd gilmour on Feb 2, 2017 13:23:32 GMT
What about Gilmour? He was an absolute virtuoso. Rick was great. Comparig every piano player to Elton isn't a good way to think about music. I mentioned David. So, for example, I shouldn't compare John Entwistle to Paul McCartney if I was stating an argument about their bass playing? Comparing musicians to each other is how lists are made about the best musicians. Do you not think that Elton John one of the best rock pianists (out of curiosity)? Is there some other pianist I should compare Rick to? Yeah. Elton is up there as one of my all time favorites, and he is highly influential in my piano playing. But comparing him and Rick on piano is like comparing Pete Townshend and Jimi Hendrix on guitar. Obviously one stands above the other, but Townshend and Rick Wright were a piece to a larger picture. Just because Pete alcant shred like Jimi doesn't mean he wasn't innovative with songwriting and production just like Rick. Some of my other favorite pianists are Billy Joel, Chris Stainton (famous blues pianist featured on many classic albums including Quadrophenia) and Page McConnel of Phish. |
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Post by TheVelvetBride on Feb 2, 2017 15:48:57 GMT
Yeah. Elton is up there as one of my all time favorites, and he is highly influential in my piano playing. But comparing him and Rick on piano is like comparing Pete Townshend and Jimi Hendrix on guitar. Obviously one stands above the other, but Townshend and Rick Wright were a piece to a larger picture. Just because Pete alcant shred like Jimi doesn't mean he wasn't innovative with songwriting and production just like Rick. Some of my other favorite pianists are Billy Joel, Chris Stainton (famous blues pianist featured on many classic albums including Quadrophenia) and Page McConnel of Phish. Would Paul be a better comparison then (for piano)? |
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Post by syd gilmour on Feb 2, 2017 17:44:14 GMT
Paul is not quite as skilled as Elton, but he would be more valuable in a band.
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Post by TheVelvetBride on Feb 2, 2017 19:38:55 GMT
Paul is not quite as skilled as Elton, but he would be more valuable in a band. Exactly, that's why Paul woulld be a good comparison to Rick because they both fit well in their bands. |
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Post by The Machine on Feb 3, 2017 2:22:48 GMT
I feel like thats part of the point, at least in the later albums. In the wall they say things like "are there any queers in the theater tonight?" To obviously play on people's descrimination. Maybe guitar solo's, at least in albums like dark side of the moon, are soulless for a reason, as if to play on the way things can be so sweet, but mean nothing. That's possible. A rather different way of looking at things. What I meant by the soul-less part of my post was that his solos feel really "planned out to the last degree, so that there can't possibly be anything wrong with them" sort of soul-less. That's fair. In my opinion, they were good musicians, but great artists. Sure they couldn't play as good as queen or some other bands, and in that sense you are right, but that's not what I think they're about. Music is just a medium, the real art is behind all that, it's the feeling. |
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Post by TheVelvetBride on Feb 3, 2017 3:20:28 GMT
^Yeah, I agree with most of that.
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Post by The Lunatic on Feb 4, 2017 2:31:21 GMT
I voted 'Yes: they honed their craft to perfection' because I feel that, though they weren't the most technically proficient musicians ever, and by themselves none of them except perhaps David Gilmour would make it far on their own, what they did with their instruments served their art perfectly. So, basically, what The Machine said. And that's what I personally get out of Pink Floyd. Perfection for Pink Floyd may not be not the virtuosity of a Jimi Hendrix, but Jimi was a star in his own right. Pink Floyd at their best was a multi-headed monster composed of multiple fairly talented people playing in symbiosis. As for David's solos being soulless, well! I have nothing to say. Some things affect some people a certain way, while others just don't get it. I suppose his playing is very deliberate and, compared to many other guitar hero shredders, reserved. Speaking for myself, as a guitarist, I find I am more inspired by his style than anyone else I've listened to -- and I appreciate pretty much anyone who can pick up a guitar and make cool sounds. TheVelvetBride Perhaps you should listen to some more of their live performances. Also, would you consider some of George Harrison's solos to be soulless as well, since he didn't really improvise as much as he composed, practised, and then performed them? As for Rick, well, he may not be technically great, but his sensibilities for musical texture and composition were absolutely essential to Pink Floyd's art. So as far as technicalities of musicianship, they were really only decently proficient in their own right, but they had something more than technique, something intangible that it takes a Richard Wright, or a Syd Barrett, to express. |
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Post by TheVelvetBride on Feb 4, 2017 3:01:19 GMT
And that's what I personally get out of Pink Floyd. Perfection for Pink Floyd may not be not the virtuosity of a Jimi Hendrix, but Jimi was a star in his own right. Pink Floyd at their best was a multi-headed monster composed of multiple fairly talented people playing in symbiosis. As for David's solos being soulless, well! I have nothing to say. Some things affect some people a certain way, while others just don't get it. I suppose his playing is very deliberate and, compared to many other guitar hero shredders, reserved. Speaking for myself, as a guitarist, I find I am more inspired by his style than anyone else I've listened to -- and I appreciate pretty much anyone who can pick up a guitar and make cool sounds. TheVelvetBride Perhaps you should listen to some more of their live performances. Also, would you consider some of George Harrison's solos to be soulless as well, since he didn't really improvise as much as he composed, practised, and then performed them? As for Rick, well, he may not be technically great, but his sensibilities for musical texture and composition were absolutely essential to Pink Floyd's art. So as far as technicalities of musicianship, they were really only decently proficient in their own right, but they had something more than technique, something intangible that it takes a Richard Wright, or a Syd Barrett, to express. Soul doesn't have to do with improvisation. Soul is a feeling in music. Some of the most soulfull music is practised amd composed, and it achieves great emotional power David doesn't have any soul. You can feel George's soul in his solos. Syd is a wacko nut who didn't add anything to rock music that wasn't already there. You know what his legacy is? Less than 3 years with Pink Floyd, and a few avant-guarde albums. That's it. |
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Post by The Machine on Feb 4, 2017 4:05:59 GMT
And that's what I personally get out of Pink Floyd. Perfection for Pink Floyd may not be not the virtuosity of a Jimi Hendrix, but Jimi was a star in his own right. Pink Floyd at their best was a multi-headed monster composed of multiple fairly talented people playing in symbiosis. As for David's solos being soulless, well! I have nothing to say. Some things affect some people a certain way, while others just don't get it. I suppose his playing is very deliberate and, compared to many other guitar hero shredders, reserved. Speaking for myself, as a guitarist, I find I am more inspired by his style than anyone else I've listened to -- and I appreciate pretty much anyone who can pick up a guitar and make cool sounds. TheVelvetBride Perhaps you should listen to some more of their live performances. Also, would you consider some of George Harrison's solos to be soulless as well, since he didn't really improvise as much as he composed, practised, and then performed them? As for Rick, well, he may not be technically great, but his sensibilities for musical texture and composition were absolutely essential to Pink Floyd's art. So as far as technicalities of musicianship, they were really only decently proficient in their own right, but they had something more than technique, something intangible that it takes a Richard Wright, or a Syd Barrett, to express. Soul doesn't have to do with improvisation. Soul is a feeling in music. Some of the most soulfull music is practised amd composed, and it achieves great emotional power David doesn't have any soul. You can feel George's soul in his solos. Syd is a wacko nut who didn't add anything to rock music that wasn't already there. You know what his legacy is? Less than 3 years with Pink Floyd, and a few avant-guarde albums. That's it. I mean, I'm not as much of a Syd Barrett fan, but that's kinda harsh. I mean, the guy descended into madness, show some respect. Pink Floyd might not be here at all if he wasn't in it, and I think what they went on to do because of it is legacy enough. Besides, Brain Damage is basically for Syd Barrett in a way, and I love that song, so... Yeah... |
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Post by The Lunatic on Feb 4, 2017 13:10:41 GMT
TheVelvetBride Perhaps you should listen to some more of their live performances. Also, would you consider some of George Harrison's solos to be soulless as well, since he didn't really improvise as much as he composed, practised, and then performed them? As for Rick, well, he may not be technically great, but his sensibilities for musical texture and composition were absolutely essential to Pink Floyd's art. So as far as technicalities of musicianship, they were really only decently proficient in their own right, but they had something more than technique, something intangible that it takes a Richard Wright, or a Syd Barrett, to express. Soul doesn't have to do with improvisation. Soul is a feeling in music. Some of the most soulfull music is practised amd composed, and it achieves great emotional power David doesn't have any soul. You can feel George's soul in his solos. Syd is a wacko nut who didn't add anything to rock music that wasn't already there. You know what his legacy is? Less than 3 years with Pink Floyd, and a few avant-guarde albums. That's it. Well, whatever you say, ma'am. I believe otherwise, but in the words of a great songster, |
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Post by syd gilmour on Feb 4, 2017 16:53:21 GMT
How can you say Syd didn't add anything to music when Piper was a great influence on Sgt Pepper?
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Post by TheVelvetBride on Feb 4, 2017 17:15:04 GMT
How can you say Syd didn't add anything to music when Piper was a great influence on Sgt Pepper? Hardly, I don't think any of the Beatles have cited it as an influence and It was released after Sgt Pepper as well. Recording date-wise, Sgt Pepper sessions would have been half over before Piper sessions even started. |
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Post by syd gilmour on Feb 4, 2017 19:56:01 GMT
Paul would go watch them record during breaks in Sgt. Pepper. While not as influential as Pet Sounds on The Beatles, it certainly had an effect and you definetly can't say that Syd had no effect on music.
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Post by TheVelvetBride on Feb 4, 2017 20:07:54 GMT
What do you consider to be his effect on music? What did he bring that wasn't already there? What did he do that wasn't already done?
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